[Wikimedia-l] PLEASE ASK PERMISSION BEFORE ADDING PEOPLE TO YOUR LIST! [WAS: Could someone please tell me why I have been subscribed to this list?]

Hi Toby

Thanks for providing an explanation of the reasons for creating the
list. By the way, despite your efforts, I still have no idea what the
list does.

However, what I asked for was an explanation of WHY I came to be added
to your list.

I opened the link that you provided and read that "A number of members
of WikiProject_Open_Access were at the yearly OA conference (and
Wikimania) these weeks, and many attendees were interested in
continuing discussion by email." The idea was supported by roughly
three of four people. Hardly a mandate!

Then either through lack of creativity or to pose as an existing list
you use an existing name (wikimedia-l)!

Then to add injury to insult, you use an old unrelated email to send
out your notification about users being added to this list. There is
nothing I hate more than people too lazy to create a new email, who
open old emails to send out new unrelated information. It is
unprofessional. It is immature.

PLEASE REMOVE MY ADDRESS IMMEDIATELY. I suggest that in future you ask
people for permission before adding them to your lists or - even
better - announce on an existing list the of the new list with the
necessary information for sign-up for those who want to do so -
VOLUNTARILY!

Regards,

Rui

2015-01-11 12:42 GMT+02:00 Toby Dollmann <toby.dollmann@gmail.com>:
> Dear Rui
>
> I would be happy to explain.
> Please see this link https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T55216
>
> "We have enough people discussing things by email that having a
> dedicated mailing list to make our discussions public and archived
> would be useful and bring us closer in alignment to Wikimedia
> community precedent of being transparent.
>
> We also talk with a certain number of non-Wikipedian stakeholders, and
> for that reason we need an email list."
>
> So this is that kind of Open Access list for Wikipedia editors.
>
> Toby
>
> On 1/11/15, Rui Correia <correia.rui@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I really would like to know why I have been subscribed to a list that
>> I know nothing of, there has been NO communication whatsoever about
>> its creation and the community's input.
>>
>> I hardly think You've been added to Wikimedia-l". is an adequ\te
>> manner to introduce a list. Or am I to infer that it is somehow
>> relaled to a previous email by Svetlana, saying " I maintain that I
>> would love to have a formal universal feedback ..."
>>
>> Would Toby care to explain?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Rui
>>
>>
>> 2015-01-09 11:12 GMT+02:00 Toby Dollmann <toby.dollmann@gmail.com>:
>>> Recall
>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2014-November/075480.html
>>>
>>> On Mon Nov 24 21:19:46 2014, svetlana <svetlana@fastmail.com.au> wrote
>>> I maintain that I would love to have a formal universal feedback
>>> channel for Chapters work. It has to be drama-free, but transparent,
>>> and not moderated.
>>>
>>> Feedback is occasionally not negative, and may contain thorough project
>>> ideas.
>>>
>>> --
>>> svetlana
>>>
>>> On Mon, 24 Nov 2014, at 18:03, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>>>> Hoi,
>>>> As there is this constant call for more paper work for chapters, it has
>>>> to
>>>> be understood that this is exactly what kills the productivity of
>>>> chapters.
>>>> There are always more people with their opinion why this that or the
>>>> other
>>>> is amiss. They all have their arguments why they think they are right
>>>> and
>>>> consequently contribute to the noise level that is already way too high.
>>>>
>>>> If anything we should look for ways of appreciating the effect of
>>>> chapters
>>>> that does not make them beholden to every John Dick AND Harry and at the
>>>> same time gives them equal space to move as effectively as the Wikimedia
>>>> Foundation itself.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> GerardM
>>>>
>>>> On 23 November 2014 at 23:02, svetlana <svetlana at fastmail.com.au>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > To clarify: I would like to see a more strong mechanism for review of
>>>> > Chapters work. This includes thorough feedback channels about how
>>>> > Chapters
>>>> > communicate, how they spend their funding. Including means to dissolve
>>>> > a
>>>> > Chapter if a large chunk of people believes it is not working well
>>>> > (such
>>>> > as, providing inadequate support to the Wikimedia movement).
>>>> >
>>>> > This feedback channel is probably not here, but I feel this list could
>>>> > be
>>>> > an appropriate place to discuss how the above could be implemented.
>>>> >
>>>> > On Mon, 24 Nov 2014, at 08:28, svetlana wrote:
>>>> > > I disagree, the question raised is relevant to the Wikimedia movement
>>>> > > as
>>>> > a whole.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > On Mon, 24 Nov 2014, at 02:37, Austin Hair wrote:
>>>> > > > Fae,
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Please do not drag this list into whatever trouble you've found
>>>> > > > yourself in on another. Wikimedia-l is neither a court of appeals
>>>> > > > for
>>>> > > > Wikimedia-related lists nor a bullhorn for your personal
>>>> > > > grievances.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Austin
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Fæ <faewik at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > > > > Hi Darcy,
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > I am concerned at what appears to be deliberate suppression of
>>>> > > > > questions raising governance related issues from the wikimedia
>>>> > > > > UK
>>>> > > > > email list. The email below is an example. The list was always
>>>> > > > > intended to be independent of the UK chapter, though one of the
>>>> > > > > moderators is one of your employees.
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > Could you please confirm that neither you, nor your employees,
>>>> > > > > are
>>>> > > > > manipulating this public list to your political advantage.
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > Thanks,
>>>> > > > > Fae
>>>> > > > >
>>>
>>> On 1/9/15, Toby Dollmann <toby.dollmann@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Long Answer:
>>>>
>>>> Your email ID was identified, from your internet behavior and websites
>>>> you visit, as a lesbian or associated with Gay rights .
>>>>
>>>> It was then added to a database. The data base was compiled to a mailing
>>>> list.
>>>>
>>>> A mailing list is a collection of names and addresses used by an
>>>> individual or an organization to send material to multiple recipients.
>>>> The term is often extended to include the people subscribed to such a
>>>> list, so the group of subscribers is referred to as "the mailing
>>>> list", or simply "the list".
>>>>
>>>> You can educate yourself at Wikipedia, one of the LGBT friendly
>>>> educational sites you frequent.
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mailing_list This article does not have
>>>> any reliable sources since 2007.
>>>>
>>>> Short Answer:
>>>> F*** Off
>>>>
>>>> Toby
>>>>
>>>> On 1/9/15, svetlana <svetlana@fastmail.com.au> wrote:
>>>>> How did this message reach me?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> svetlana
>>>>>
>>>>
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