Re: [Wikimedia-l] Could someone please tell me why I have been subscribed to this list?

Dear Rui

I would be happy to explain.
Please see this link https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T55216

"We have enough people discussing things by email that having a
dedicated mailing list to make our discussions public and archived
would be useful and bring us closer in alignment to Wikimedia
community precedent of being transparent.

We also talk with a certain number of non-Wikipedian stakeholders, and
for that reason we need an email list."

So this is that kind of Open Access list for Wikipedia editors.

Toby

On 1/11/15, Rui Correia <correia.rui@gmail.com> wrote:
> I really would like to know why I have been subscribed to a list that
> I know nothing of, there has been NO communication whatsoever about
> its creation and the community's input.
>
> I hardly think You've been added to Wikimedia-l". is an adequ\te
> manner to introduce a list. Or am I to infer that it is somehow
> relaled to a previous email by Svetlana, saying " I maintain that I
> would love to have a formal universal feedback ..."
>
> Would Toby care to explain?
>
> Regards,
>
> Rui
>
>
> 2015-01-09 11:12 GMT+02:00 Toby Dollmann <toby.dollmann@gmail.com>:
>> Recall
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2014-November/075480.html
>>
>> On Mon Nov 24 21:19:46 2014, svetlana <svetlana@fastmail.com.au> wrote
>> I maintain that I would love to have a formal universal feedback
>> channel for Chapters work. It has to be drama-free, but transparent,
>> and not moderated.
>>
>> Feedback is occasionally not negative, and may contain thorough project
>> ideas.
>>
>> --
>> svetlana
>>
>> On Mon, 24 Nov 2014, at 18:03, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>>> Hoi,
>>> As there is this constant call for more paper work for chapters, it has
>>> to
>>> be understood that this is exactly what kills the productivity of
>>> chapters.
>>> There are always more people with their opinion why this that or the
>>> other
>>> is amiss. They all have their arguments why they think they are right
>>> and
>>> consequently contribute to the noise level that is already way too high.
>>>
>>> If anything we should look for ways of appreciating the effect of
>>> chapters
>>> that does not make them beholden to every John Dick AND Harry and at the
>>> same time gives them equal space to move as effectively as the Wikimedia
>>> Foundation itself.
>>> Thanks,
>>> GerardM
>>>
>>> On 23 November 2014 at 23:02, svetlana <svetlana at fastmail.com.au>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > To clarify: I would like to see a more strong mechanism for review of
>>> > Chapters work. This includes thorough feedback channels about how
>>> > Chapters
>>> > communicate, how they spend their funding. Including means to dissolve
>>> > a
>>> > Chapter if a large chunk of people believes it is not working well
>>> > (such
>>> > as, providing inadequate support to the Wikimedia movement).
>>> >
>>> > This feedback channel is probably not here, but I feel this list could
>>> > be
>>> > an appropriate place to discuss how the above could be implemented.
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, 24 Nov 2014, at 08:28, svetlana wrote:
>>> > > I disagree, the question raised is relevant to the Wikimedia movement
>>> > > as
>>> > a whole.
>>> > >
>>> > > On Mon, 24 Nov 2014, at 02:37, Austin Hair wrote:
>>> > > > Fae,
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Please do not drag this list into whatever trouble you've found
>>> > > > yourself in on another. Wikimedia-l is neither a court of appeals
>>> > > > for
>>> > > > Wikimedia-related lists nor a bullhorn for your personal
>>> > > > grievances.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Austin
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Fæ <faewik at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > > > > Hi Darcy,
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > I am concerned at what appears to be deliberate suppression of
>>> > > > > questions raising governance related issues from the wikimedia
>>> > > > > UK
>>> > > > > email list. The email below is an example. The list was always
>>> > > > > intended to be independent of the UK chapter, though one of the
>>> > > > > moderators is one of your employees.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Could you please confirm that neither you, nor your employees,
>>> > > > > are
>>> > > > > manipulating this public list to your political advantage.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Thanks,
>>> > > > > Fae
>>> > > > >
>>
>> On 1/9/15, Toby Dollmann <toby.dollmann@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Long Answer:
>>>
>>> Your email ID was identified, from your internet behavior and websites
>>> you visit, as a lesbian or associated with Gay rights .
>>>
>>> It was then added to a database. The data base was compiled to a mailing
>>> list.
>>>
>>> A mailing list is a collection of names and addresses used by an
>>> individual or an organization to send material to multiple recipients.
>>> The term is often extended to include the people subscribed to such a
>>> list, so the group of subscribers is referred to as "the mailing
>>> list", or simply "the list".
>>>
>>> You can educate yourself at Wikipedia, one of the LGBT friendly
>>> educational sites you frequent.
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mailing_list This article does not have
>>> any reliable sources since 2007.
>>>
>>> Short Answer:
>>> F*** Off
>>>
>>> Toby
>>>
>>> On 1/9/15, svetlana <svetlana@fastmail.com.au> wrote:
>>>> How did this message reach me?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> svetlana
>>>>
>>>
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