WIKIMEDIA-L Wikipedia blog + Wikimedia forum: January 2015

Sunday, 11 January 2015

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia charity chairman resigns after pornography row

This is an interesting point of view. I'd love to hear more of the background hear if you'd be willing to share.

On Jan 11, 2015 6:53 PM, "rexx" <rexx@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

Sue Gardner was looking for any opportunity to centralise fundraising and take away Chapters' independence to raise funds from their own country. How do you explain the other Chapters whose fundraising activities she removed?

And how do you explain the fact that Sue Gardner cancelled the agreement with WMUK several months before Fae came under fire from the homophobes?

Another example of a lack of critical thinking on your part. You just believe any mud that has been slung, even when it's patently untrue, rather than listening to folks like me, who were there at the time.

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Rexx

On 11 January 2015 at 16:50, Toby Dollmann <toby.dollmann@gmail.com> wrote:
So how do you explain these messages past ?

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/464177

Which are clearly connected 2unowho

Toby

On 1/11/15, rexx <rexx@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Another piece of blatant misrepresentation.
>
> Fae was the subject of multiple homophobic attacks during that period and
> there was an orchestrated campaign by the usual group of haters who can't
> stand to see an openly gay man achieve prominence in our community.
>
> Fae resigned voluntarily in order to reduce the impact of the hate campaign
> on the institution that he had been instrumental in building.
>
> The call for an EGM was signed by all of four people. Four people. I could
> get more signatures for a petition to give Jimmy Wales a knighthood. (Ok, I
> might be exaggerating that last one).
>
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> Rexx
>

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RE: [Wikimedia-l] A Stealth PR Campaign on Behalf of Gibraltar Provokes Existential Crisis for Wikipedia

Can you please explain

On Jan 11, 2015 9:20 PM, "Juhi Mukherji" <juhi.mukherji@hotmail.com> wrote:

Mindboogling that so many intelligensia peoples waste time on Roger Bumpkin, when they could be chasing Roger Davies down a ARBCOM Roger Rabbit Alice in Wonderland wormhole of PAID PR Wikipedia editing and those that regulate them.

So the question is "Who is Roger Davies of ARBCOM" ?

Obviously he cannot be Roger "Lleywn" Davies Astrophysicist who has photographed by Mike Peel here http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mike_Irwin_and_Roger_Davies.jpg

Because we all know that Roger Llewyn Davies already has one sockpuppet account
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/RoyalAstronomicalSociety and is blocked on Wikipedia for Conflicted editing and has a Big Degree..

We also know that Roger Davies cannot be this person
http://www.rogerdavies.com/roger-davies/

Because he is the archetypal Wikipedian Arbcom member, like that 14 year Ukranian kiddy who got elected to Arbcom. It definitely can't be him because he is from Manchester and into SEO, http://manchester-seo-blog.co.uk/ and employs cheap blackhat Wiki-PR coolies from India, sourced through Mrs. Deepali "Sakhare " Shah of IIPM.edu/Planman and Global Consulting Mumbai also known as WIFIONE?? and who knows Mike Peel and that would make him a part of the En Wikipedia Manchester "meatfarm" mafia.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Manchester_Wikimeet_Feb_2012-4.jpg

So, we would place our money on the nag from near Lewisham, London.

Juhi
Wikipedia India Editors Forum

Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 16:29:52 -0700
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Stealth PR Campaign on Behalf of Gibraltar Provokes Existential Crisis for Wikipedia
From: node.ue@gmail.com
To: lilburne@tygers-of-wrath.net
CC: wikimedia-l@googlegroups.com

Let's find out?

On Jan 11, 2015 11:28 AM, "Lilburne" <lilburne@tygers-of-wrath.net> wrote:
What are you still doing in my email?

On 11/01/2015 16:37, Toby Dollmann wrote:

Dear Rexx

The "Future Tense" Slate.com blog piece is a published researched
article, with directly relevant inline cites, a named author and a
collaboration between 3 credible organizations. The facts in that
article, ie. the sheer number of DYKs in a short span from a tiny
handkerchief bit of land are undenied. The article still stands with 2
minor corrections as a RELIABLE SOURCE in the face of your ORIGINAL
RESEARCH.

This kind of event based editing is what had also been highlighted in
the case of WMF's disastrous "Wikipedia India Education Program" in
2011 and 2013.

https://avamindia.wordpress.com/2014/10/25/wikipedia-india-education-program/
To which a follow up was sent
https://avamindia.wordpress.com/2014/10/25/wikipedia-child-pornography-scandal-india-education-program-2013/

Is it not shocking that WMF retains and hosts high resolution photos
of clearly identifiable minors taken inside their school under a
Creative Commons licence which permits derivations and commercial use
?

It is also very well known that these edit-a-thons are used by PAID
editors like "Fae" to write
articles on non-notables like "Veena Kumari" now
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veena_Kumari
trimmed from this
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Veena_Kumari&oldid=604720490
But guess who gets blocked just so Fae, or some other paid editor can
reinsert it when nobody is looking ?

Toby

On 1/11/15, rexx <rexx@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

Here's another correction for you:

Anybody who bothered to ask - rather than spilling bile-filled speculation
about - would have soon found out that Roger Bamkin was working in
Gibraltar to encourage new editors to edit Wikipedia. Roger's expertise is
in education, not PR, and he is a qualified teacher.

And what would a group of new editors living in Gibraltar write about as
they learn how to edit? The place where they live, perhaps?

Roger knows very well how much encouragement new editors get from having
their efforts featured at DYK - it's the main purpose of DYK, of course. So
why would it be surprising that so many new DYKs appeared from a new batch
of editors who all lived in Gibraltar - which with its history was an
obvious rich source of articles that nobody had bothered to tap before?

I

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Stealth PR Campaign on Behalf of Gibraltar Provokes Existential Crisis for Wikipedia

And you'd lose your bet. It's none of the above. Roger told me himself that he lives half-way between England and France. As I remarked at the time, thank Heavens he's a bloody good swimmer.

Rexx

On 12 January 2015 at 04:14, Juhi Mukherji <juhi.mukherji@hotmail.com> wrote:

Mindboogling that so many intelligensia peoples waste time on Roger Bumpkin, when they could be chasing Roger Davies down a ARBCOM Roger Rabbit Alice in Wonderland wormhole of PAID PR Wikipedia editing and those that regulate them.

So the question is "Who is Roger Davies of ARBCOM" ?

Obviously he cannot be Roger "Lleywn" Davies Astrophysicist who has photographed by Mike Peel here http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mike_Irwin_and_Roger_Davies.jpg

Because we all know that Roger Llewyn Davies already has one sockpuppet account
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/RoyalAstronomicalSociety and is blocked on Wikipedia for Conflicted editing and has a Big Degree..

We also know that Roger Davies cannot be this person
http://www.rogerdavies.com/roger-davies/

Because he is the archetypal Wikipedian Arbcom member, like that 14 year Ukranian kiddy who got elected to Arbcom. It definitely can't be him because he is from Manchester and into SEO, http://manchester-seo-blog.co.uk/ and employs cheap blackhat Wiki-PR coolies from India, sourced through Mrs. Deepali "Sakhare " Shah of IIPM.edu/Planman and Global Consulting Mumbai also known as WIFIONE?? and who knows Mike Peel and that would make him a part of the En Wikipedia Manchester "meatfarm" mafia.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Manchester_Wikimeet_Feb_2012-4.jpg

So, we would place our money on the nag from near Lewisham, London.

Juhi
Wikipedia India Editors Forum

Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 16:29:52 -0700
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Stealth PR Campaign on Behalf of Gibraltar Provokes Existential Crisis for Wikipedia
From: node.ue@gmail.com
To: lilburne@tygers-of-wrath.net
CC: wikimedia-l@googlegroups.com

Let's find out?

On Jan 11, 2015 11:28 AM, "Lilburne" <lilburne@tygers-of-wrath.net> wrote:
What are you still doing in my email?

On 11/01/2015 16:37, Toby Dollmann wrote:

Dear Rexx

The "Future Tense" Slate.com blog piece is a published researched
article, with directly relevant inline cites, a named author and a
collaboration between 3 credible organizations. The facts in that
article, ie. the sheer number of DYKs in a short span from a tiny
handkerchief bit of land are undenied. The article still stands with 2
minor corrections as a RELIABLE SOURCE in the face of your ORIGINAL
RESEARCH.

This kind of event based editing is what had also been highlighted in
the case of WMF's disastrous "Wikipedia India Education Program" in
2011 and 2013.

https://avamindia.wordpress.com/2014/10/25/wikipedia-india-education-program/
To which a follow up was sent
https://avamindia.wordpress.com/2014/10/25/wikipedia-child-pornography-scandal-india-education-program-2013/

Is it not shocking that WMF retains and hosts high resolution photos
of clearly identifiable minors taken inside their school under a
Creative Commons licence which permits derivations and commercial use
?

It is also very well known that these edit-a-thons are used by PAID
editors like "Fae" to write
articles on non-notables like "Veena Kumari" now
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veena_Kumari
trimmed from this
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Veena_Kumari&oldid=604720490
But guess who gets blocked just so Fae, or some other paid editor can
reinsert it when nobody is looking ?

Toby

On 1/11/15, rexx <rexx@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

Here's another correction for you:

Anybody who bothered to ask - rather than spilling bile-filled speculation
about - would have soon found out that Roger Bamkin was working in
Gibraltar to encourage new editors to edit Wikipedia. Roger's expertise is
in education, not PR, and he is a qualified teacher.

And what would a group of new editors living in Gibraltar write about as
they learn how to edit? The place where they live, perhaps?

Roger knows very well how much encouragement new editors get from having
their efforts featured at DYK - it's the main purpose of DYK, of course. So
why would it be surprising that so many new DYKs appeared from a new batch
of editors who all lived in Gibraltar - which with its history was an
obvious rich source of articles that nobody had bothered to tap before?

I

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RE: [Wikimedia-l] A Stealth PR Campaign on Behalf of Gibraltar Provokes Existential Crisis for Wikipedia

Mindboogling that so many intelligensia peoples waste time on Roger Bumpkin, when they could be chasing Roger Davies down a ARBCOM Roger Rabbit Alice in Wonderland wormhole of PAID PR Wikipedia editing and those that regulate them.

So the question is "Who is Roger Davies of ARBCOM" ?

Obviously he cannot be Roger "Lleywn" Davies Astrophysicist who has photographed by Mike Peel here http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mike_Irwin_and_Roger_Davies.jpg

Because we all know that Roger Llewyn Davies already has one sockpuppet account
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/RoyalAstronomicalSociety and is blocked on Wikipedia for Conflicted editing and has a Big Degree..

We also know that Roger Davies cannot be this person
http://www.rogerdavies.com/roger-davies/

Because he is the archetypal Wikipedian Arbcom member, like that 14 year Ukranian kiddy who got elected to Arbcom. It definitely can't be him because he is from Manchester and into SEO, http://manchester-seo-blog.co.uk/ and employs cheap blackhat Wiki-PR coolies from India, sourced through Mrs. Deepali "Sakhare " Shah of IIPM.edu/Planman and Global Consulting Mumbai also known as WIFIONE?? and who knows Mike Peel and that would make him a part of the En Wikipedia Manchester "meatfarm" mafia.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Manchester_Wikimeet_Feb_2012-4.jpg

So, we would place our money on the nag from near Lewisham, London.

Juhi
Wikipedia India Editors Forum

Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 16:29:52 -0700
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Stealth PR Campaign on Behalf of Gibraltar Provokes Existential Crisis for Wikipedia
From: node.ue@gmail.com
To: lilburne@tygers-of-wrath.net
CC: wikimedia-l@googlegroups.com

Let's find out?

On Jan 11, 2015 11:28 AM, "Lilburne" <lilburne@tygers-of-wrath.net> wrote:

What are you still doing in my email?

On 11/01/2015 16:37, Toby Dollmann wrote:

Dear Rexx

The "Future Tense" Slate.com blog piece is a published researched
article, with directly relevant inline cites, a named author and a
collaboration between 3 credible organizations. The facts in that
article, ie. the sheer number of DYKs in a short span from a tiny
handkerchief bit of land are undenied. The article still stands with 2
minor corrections as a RELIABLE SOURCE in the face of your ORIGINAL
RESEARCH.

This kind of event based editing is what had also been highlighted in
the case of WMF's disastrous "Wikipedia India Education Program" in
2011 and 2013.

https://avamindia.wordpress.com/2014/10/25/wikipedia-india-education-program/
To which a follow up was sent
https://avamindia.wordpress.com/2014/10/25/wikipedia-child-pornography-scandal-india-education-program-2013/

Is it not shocking that WMF retains and hosts high resolution photos
of clearly identifiable minors taken inside their school under a
Creative Commons licence which permits derivations and commercial use
?

It is also very well known that these edit-a-thons are used by PAID
editors like "Fae" to write
articles on non-notables like "Veena Kumari" now
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veena_Kumari
trimmed from this
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Veena_Kumari&oldid=604720490
But guess who gets blocked just so Fae, or some other paid editor can
reinsert it when nobody is looking ?

Toby

On 1/11/15, rexx <rexx@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

Here's another correction for you:

Anybody who bothered to ask - rather than spilling bile-filled speculation
about - would have soon found out that Roger Bamkin was working in
Gibraltar to encourage new editors to edit Wikipedia. Roger's expertise is
in education, not PR, and he is a qualified teacher.

And what would a group of new editors living in Gibraltar write about as
they learn how to edit? The place where they live, perhaps?

Roger knows very well how much encouragement new editors get from having
their efforts featured at DYK - it's the main purpose of DYK, of course. So
why would it be surprising that so many new DYKs appeared from a new batch
of editors who all lived in Gibraltar - which with its history was an
obvious rich source of articles that nobody had bothered to tap before?

I

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Google Groups Terms of Srvice

Dear Marcos

If there is a problem requiring attention of list admins, you must specify it in terms of mailing list policies rather than ad hominem attacks.

Toby

On 1/12/15, Marcos Andrés Williamson <node.ue@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm somewhat confused as to the purpose of this message, would you please
> explain in greater detail?
> On Jan 11, 2015 7:08 AM, "Toby Dollmann" <toby.dollmann@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello
>>
>> A List Admin will surely reply to you / take action if you specify any
>> contravention of Google Groups Terms of Service
>> https://www.privacy.org.au/Papers/G-Groups-terms-120127.html
>>
>> "By way of example, and not as a limitation, you agree that when using
>> the Service, you will not:
>>
>> * defame, abuse, harass, stalk, threaten or otherwise violate the
>> legal rights (such as rights of privacy and publicity) of others;
>> * post any inappropriate, defamatory, infringing, obscene, or
>> unlawful Content;
>> * post any Content that infringes any patent, trademark, copyright,
>> trade secret or other proprietary right of any party (the "Rights"),
>> unless you are the owner of the Rights or have the permission of the
>> owner to Post such Content;
>> * post messages that promote pyramid schemes, chain letters or
>> disruptive commercial messages or advertisements, or anything else
>> prohibited by the Group owner.
>> * download any file Posted by another user of a Group that you
>> know, or reasonably should know, that cannot be legally distributed in
>> such manner;
>> * impersonate another person or entity, or falsify or delete any
>> author attributions, legal or other proper notices or proprietary
>> designations or labels of the origin or source of software or other
>> material contained in a file that is Posted;
>> * restrict or inhibit any other user from using and enjoying the
>> Service;
>> * use the Service for any illegal or unauthorized purpose;
>> * remove any copyright, trademark or other proprietary rights
>> notices contained in or on the Service;
>> * interfere with or disrupt the Service or servers or networks
>> connected to the Service, or disobey any requirements, procedures,
>> policies or regulations of networks connected to the Service;
>> * use any robot, spider, site search/retrieval application, or
>> other device to retrieve or index any portion of the Service or
>> collect information about users for any unauthorized purpose;
>> * submit Content that falsely expresses or implies that such
>> Content is sponsored or endorsed by Google;
>> * create user accounts by automated means or under false or
>> fraudulent pretenses;
>> * promote or provide instructional information about illegal
>> activities or promote physical harm or injury against any group or
>> individual; or
>> * transmit any viruses, worms, defects, Trojan horses, or any items
>> of a destructive nature.
>>
>> International users agree to comply with their own local rules
>> regarding online conduct and acceptable content, including laws
>> regulating the export of data to the United States or your country of
>> residence.
>>
>> While Google prohibits such conduct and Content in connection with the
>> Service, you understand and agree that you nonetheless may be exposed
>> to such conduct and/or Content and that you use the Service at your
>> own risk."
>>
>> Warmly,
>> Toby
>>
>> On 1/11/15, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hoi,
>> > By your own admission you add people without their permission for your
>> own
>> > reasons. There is no permission given and this action has been
>> universally
>> > condemned.
>> >
>> > Please list admins remove this person from the list.
>> > Thanks,
>> > GerardM
>> >

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Stealth PR Campaign on Behalf of Gibraltar Provokes Existential Crisis for Wikipedia

Let's find out?

On Jan 11, 2015 11:28 AM, "Lilburne" <lilburne@tygers-of-wrath.net> wrote:

What are you still doing in my email?

On 11/01/2015 16:37, Toby Dollmann wrote:

Dear Rexx

The "Future Tense" Slate.com blog piece is a published researched
article, with directly relevant inline cites, a named author and a
collaboration between 3 credible organizations. The facts in that
article, ie. the sheer number of DYKs in a short span from a tiny
handkerchief bit of land are undenied. The article still stands with 2
minor corrections as a RELIABLE SOURCE in the face of your ORIGINAL
RESEARCH.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia charity chairman resigns after pornography row

This is really quite disturbing

On Jan 11, 2015 9:08 AM, "rexx" <rexx@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

Another piece of blatant misrepresentation.

Fae was the subject of multiple homophobic attacks during that period and there was an orchestrated campaign by the usual group of haters who can't stand to see an openly gay man achieve prominence in our community.

Fae resigned voluntarily in order to reduce the impact of the hate campaign on the institution that he had been instrumental in building.

The call for an EGM was signed by all of four people. Four people. I could get more signatures for a petition to give Jimmy Wales a knighthood. (Ok, I might be exaggerating that last one).

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On 11 January 2015 at 08:57, Toby Dollmann <toby.dollmann@gmail.com> wrote:

Why ?

Have you forgotten Section 230 of Communications Decency Act ?

Toby

On 1/11/15, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com> wrote:
> can someone shut this guy up?
> Thanks,
> GerardM
>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PLEASE ASK PERMISSION BEFORE ADDING PEOPLE O YOUR LIST! [WAS: Could someone please tell me why I have been subscribed to this list?]

I think there are important considerations at hand here

On Jan 11, 2015 5:02 AM, "Rui Correia" <correia.rui@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Toby

Thanks for providing an explanation of the reasons for creating the
list. By the way, despite your efforts, I still have no idea what the
list does.

However, what I asked for was an explanation of WHY I came to be added
to your list.

I opened the link that you provided and read that "A number of members
of WikiProject_Open_Access were at the yearly OA conference (and
Wikimania) these weeks, and many attendees were interested in
continuing discussion by email." The idea was supported by roughly
three of four people. Hardly a mandate!

Then either through lack of creativity or to pose as an existing list
you use an existing name (wikimedia-l)!

Then to add injury to insult, you use an old unrelated email to send
out your notification about users being added to this list. There is
nothing I hate more than people too lazy to create a new email, who
open old emails to send out new unrelated information. It is
unprofessional. It is immature.

PLEASE REMOVE MY ADDRESS IMMEDIATELY. I suggest that in future you ask
people for permission before adding them to your lists or - even
better - announce on an existing list the of the new list with the
necessary information for sign-up for those who want to do so -
VOLUNTARILY!

Regards,

Rui

2015-01-11 12:42 GMT+02:00 Toby Dollmann <toby.dollmann@gmail.com>:
> Dear Rui
>
> I would be happy to explain.
> Please see this link https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T55216
>
> "We have enough people discussing things by email that having a
> dedicated mailing list to make our discussions public and archived
> would be useful and bring us closer in alignment to Wikimedia
> community precedent of being transparent.
>
> We also talk with a certain number of non-Wikipedian stakeholders, and
> for that reason we need an email list."
>
> So this is that kind of Open Access list for Wikipedia editors.
>
> Toby
>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation stays quiet about 2 recent--and rare--'global bans'

Interesting choice of language to refer to a longtime member of our community. Care to explain your tone?

On Jan 11, 2015 3:48 AM, "Toby Dollmann" <toby.dollmann@gmail.com> wrote:

Gerard

You are just another parasitic WMF tit sucking cockroach troll.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:PEG/Gerard_Meijssen_and_Michael_Everson/Batak

So sod off or share this
http://stream.aljazeera.com/story/201501091417-0024478

"Saudi Arabia begins 1000 lash sentence for blogger"

Toby

On 1/11/15, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hoi,
> My blog needs no sensationalist out-dated blurbs.. I am happy to be
> topical, timely and if that is boring to you all the more reason why I do
> not bother people with it. It is there for them if they want it.
>
> If you mean by free speech that you can say what you like and say it loudly
> where you are explicitly not wanted, then your idea of free speech is not
> what I support.
> Thanks,
> Gerard

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cash-for-kindness scandal rattles Wikipedia

Is this av see an article? Where it's from?

On Jan 10, 2015 11:33 PM, "Toby Dollmann" <toby.dollmann@gmail.com> wrote:

Published at http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/cashforkindness-scandal-rattles-wikipedia/2008/03/11/1205125911471.html
mirrored here
https://archive.today/20120921040030/http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/cashforkindness-scandal-rattles-wikipedia/2008/03/11/1205125911471.html

Cash-for-kindness scandal rattles Wikipedia
Asher Moses
March 12, 2008

THE toughest two weeks of the career of the Wikipedia co-founder,
Jimmy Wales, just got tougher, with a former chief scientist at one of
the world's biggest technology companies claiming Mr Wales traded Wiki
edits for donations.

Jeff Merkey, a former computer scientist at Novell, claims Mr Wales
told him in 2006 that for a substantial donation from Mr Merkey, he
would edit his Wikipedia entry - which included details of lawsuits
involving Mr Merkey including one brought by Novell alleging
misappropriation of trade secrets - to make it more favourable.

Mr Merkey made a $US5000 donation in 2006 and the edit history for his
Wikipedia entry showed that, about the same time, Mr Wales changed the
entry after wiping it out and ordering editors to start over.

Mr Merkey's claims were published in a statement on a Wikipedia
mailing list. On the same mailing list, Mr Wales called the allegation
"nonsense".

The claim is the most damning yet against Mr Wales, who was last week
accused by a former Wikipedia executive of improperly using the
non-profit organisation's funds for his own lavish recreation.

Danny Wool, effectively Mr Wales's right-hand-man for two years before
he left the donor-supported Wikimedia Foundation last year, said Mr
Wales had tried to claim the cost of a visit to a Moscow massage
parlour and expensive bottles of wine.

Earlier, a former girlfriend, Rachel Marsden, leaked messaging
transcripts purporting to show Mr Wales using his influence to
improperly change Ms Marsden's Wikipedia entry so he could continue
"f------ [her] brains out".

Mr Wales, who is going through a divorce, publicly dumped Ms Marsden
via a statement on the online encyclopedia, leading her to retaliate
by releasing the transcripts and auctioning some of his clothes on
eBay.

On the Wikipedia mailing list, Mr Wales said he would "never offer,
nor accept any offer, whereby a donation would buy someone special
editorial treatment in the encyclopedia".

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Purpose of this list?

Okay. Interesting.

On Jan 10, 2015 11:08 PM, "Toby Dollmann" <toby.dollmann@gmail.com> wrote:

Remember this one
http://prdisasters.com/?p=543

With such high profile editors, how does your average Wikipedian
sister edit safely ?

Wikipedia Wales fighting PR disasters on two fronts
Posted on March 6, 2008 by Gerry

Russian massage parlours, expense fiddling allegations and bonking his
lady friend’s brains out all night – the recent life and times of
Jimmy Wales.
Yesterday’s Age broadsheet reports that:
‘The scandal engulfing Wikipedia co-founder Jimmy Wales has spread,
with a former executive claiming Wales improperly used the non-profit
organisation’s funds for his own lavish recreation.
Danny Wool said Wales had tried to claim the cost of items such as a
visit to a massage parlour in Moscow and expensive bottles of wine.
The claims come just as Wales’ messy break-up with a girlfriend he met
via his free online encyclopedia plays out in the public domain. Wales
was publicly humiliated by estranged girlfriend Rachel Marsden, 33,
who released saucy instant message transcripts between the pair and
auctioned off some of Wales’ clothes on eBay after he apparently broke
up with her via a statement on Wikipedia. And while Wales denies he
broke Wikipedia’s conflict of interest rules by helping Marsden clean
up her Wikipedia entry, the leaked transcripts, published by Silicon
Valley gossip blog Valleywag, suggest otherwise.

They show Wales going through proposed changes to Marsden’s Wikipedia
entry; “Let’s actually do this right now,” Wales allegedly wrote,
“Because the last thing I want to do is take a break from f—ing your
brains out all night to work on your wikipedia entry.”

On 1/11/15, Lilburne <lilburne@tygers-of-wrath.net> wrote:
> Phoebe, why are you spamming my email? Can you not take whatever issues
> you have to personal email, rather than posting to everyone subscribed,
> willingly or not?
>
> But as you are in my email, weren't you one of those that exhibited
> craven cowardice in respect to the Image Filters? Remind me how did it
> go again.
>
> First they'll be a filter because its the right thing to do.
>
> Oh wait on, the commons porn hounds object and won't vote for us again.
>
> Correction contrary to what you may have heard there will be no image
> filter. So please can you carry on uploading toothbrush masturbation
> images, cucumbers up vaginas, and genital piercing images. Also give
> them everyday tags so that elementary school kids to stumble over them
> when searching for things like "pearl necklace".
>
> The Wikimedia Foundation - Spineless to the last.
>
>
>
> On 09/01/2015 19:23, phoebe ayers wrote:
>> Dear Toby,
>>
>> It is fine to start a new list or group and then advertise it on
>> existing channels, for those who may be interested in the topic to
>> join. It is not OK to add people to a new group without asking them
>> first. And it is not OK to be rude about other people who participate
>> in Wikimedia. If your aim is to criticise a particular policy or talk
>> about a particular issue, then please do so with civility and without
>> namecalling.
>>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia charity chairman resigns after pornography row

Sue Gardner was looking for any opportunity to centralise fundraising and take away Chapters' independence to raise funds from their own country. How do you explain the other Chapters whose fundraising activities she removed?

And how do you explain the fact that Sue Gardner cancelled the agreement with WMUK several months before Fae came under fire from the homophobes?

Another example of a lack of critical thinking on your part. You just believe any mud that has been slung, even when it's patently untrue, rather than listening to folks like me, who were there at the time.

Rexx

On 11 January 2015 at 16:50, Toby Dollmann <toby.dollmann@gmail.com> wrote:

So how do you explain these messages past ?

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/464177

Which are clearly connected 2unowho

Toby

On 1/11/15, rexx <rexx@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Another piece of blatant misrepresentation.
>
> Fae was the subject of multiple homophobic attacks during that period and
> there was an orchestrated campaign by the usual group of haters who can't
> stand to see an openly gay man achieve prominence in our community.
>
> Fae resigned voluntarily in order to reduce the impact of the hate campaign
> on the institution that he had been instrumental in building.
>
> The call for an EGM was signed by all of four people. Four people. I could
> get more signatures for a petition to give Jimmy Wales a knighthood. (Ok, I
> might be exaggerating that last one).
>
> --
> Rexx
>

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Stealth PR Campaign on Behalf of Gibraltar Provokes Existential Crisis for Wikipedia

Dear Toby,

The Future Tense blog is just that - a blog without any credibility as a source. Take a look at Laura Hale's article if you want to see the truth in terms of facts and figures.

There were several DYKs all happening in a short period of time because training produces new editors in batches. If you'd ever tried to train new editors yourself, you'd realise that is exactly what happens.

You're simply confusing ORIGINAL RESEARCH with COMMON SENSE. Engage with the argument if you've got anything useful to say, rather than believing any piece of spin because it fits your preconceptions.

You know nothing about editathons, while I've run dozens, so I don't need you to tell me about what works well and what doesn't. When you've trained as many new editors as I have, you'll be entitled to have your opinion taken seriously, but that's never going to happen because you have to actually get out and do something to train others, rather than sitting in your mom's basement sniping at those who actually do the work.

Rexx

On 11 January 2015 at 17:04, Lilburne <lilburne@tygers-of-wrath.net> wrote:

What are you still doing in my email?

On 11/01/2015 16:37, Toby Dollmann wrote:

Dear Rexx

The "Future Tense" Slate.com blog piece is a published researched
article, with directly relevant inline cites, a named author and a
collaboration between 3 credible organizations. The facts in that
article, ie. the sheer number of DYKs in a short span from a tiny
handkerchief bit of land are undenied. The article still stands with 2
minor corrections as a RELIABLE SOURCE in the face of your ORIGINAL
RESEARCH.

This kind of event based editing is what had also been highlighted in
the case of WMF's disastrous "Wikipedia India Education Program" in
2011 and 2013.

https://avamindia.wordpress.com/2014/10/25/wikipedia-india-education-program/
To which a follow up was sent
https://avamindia.wordpress.com/2014/10/25/wikipedia-child-pornography-scandal-india-education-program-2013/

Is it not shocking that WMF retains and hosts high resolution photos
of clearly identifiable minors taken inside their school under a
Creative Commons licence which permits derivations and commercial use
?

It is also very well known that these edit-a-thons are used by PAID
editors like "Fae" to write
articles on non-notables like "Veena Kumari" now
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veena_Kumari
trimmed from this
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Veena_Kumari&oldid=604720490
But guess who gets blocked just so Fae, or some other paid editor can
reinsert it when nobody is looking ?

Toby

On 1/11/15, rexx <rexx@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

Here's another correction for you:

Anybody who bothered to ask - rather than spilling bile-filled speculation
about - would have soon found out that Roger Bamkin was working in
Gibraltar to encourage new editors to edit Wikipedia. Roger's expertise is
in education, not PR, and he is a qualified teacher.

And what would a group of new editors living in Gibraltar write about as
they learn how to edit? The place where they live, perhaps?

Roger knows very well how much encouragement new editors get from having
their efforts featured at DYK - it's the main purpose of DYK, of course. So
why would it be surprising that so many new DYKs appeared from a new batch
of editors who all lived in Gibraltar - which with its history was an
obvious rich source of articles that nobody had bothered to tap before?

If you don't believe me, do the research yourself: look at those DYKs - who
wrote the articles? and how long had they been editing? They were trained
together and wrote new articles that were good enough to be featured as
DYKs. We should be celebrating that, not spinning it into yet another
attack on Wikipedia from the haters.

--
Rexx

On 11 January 2015 at 06:33, Toby Dollmann <toby.dollmann@gmail.com> wrote:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2012/09/20/roger_bamkin_gibraltor_s_repeated_appearance_on_did_you_know_provkes_existential_crisis_for_wikipedia_.html

A Stealth PR Campaign on Behalf of Gibraltar Provokes Existential
Crisis for Wikipedia
By Mark Joseph Stern
Mark Joseph Stern is a writer for Slate. He covers science, the law,
and LGBTQ issues.

How much do you know about Gibraltar?

If you've been reading been reading Wikipedia's "Did You Know?" page
recently, you probably know a great deal about the tiny British
territory at the mouth of the Mediterranean. In fact, in the month of
August alone, Gibraltar was featured on "Did You Know?" a jaw-dropping
17 times, according to the technology website CNET. (One example: "Did
you know that in Gibraltar, a mole's elbow is a site of control for
the harbour?") That, for the record, is more times than any subject
other than the Olympics—a tidal wave of information for a country with
only 2.6 square miles of land mass.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Stealth PR Campaign on Behalf of Gibraltar Provokes Existential Crisis for Wikipedia

What are you still doing in my email?

On 11/01/2015 16:37, Toby Dollmann wrote:
> Dear Rexx
>
> The "Future Tense" Slate.com blog piece is a published researched
> article, with directly relevant inline cites, a named author and a
> collaboration between 3 credible organizations. The facts in that
> article, ie. the sheer number of DYKs in a short span from a tiny
> handkerchief bit of land are undenied. The article still stands with 2
> minor corrections as a RELIABLE SOURCE in the face of your ORIGINAL
> RESEARCH.
>
> This kind of event based editing is what had also been highlighted in
> the case of WMF's disastrous "Wikipedia India Education Program" in
> 2011 and 2013.
>
> https://avamindia.wordpress.com/2014/10/25/wikipedia-india-education-program/
> To which a follow up was sent
> https://avamindia.wordpress.com/2014/10/25/wikipedia-child-pornography-scandal-india-education-program-2013/
>
> Is it not shocking that WMF retains and hosts high resolution photos
> of clearly identifiable minors taken inside their school under a
> Creative Commons licence which permits derivations and commercial use
> ?
>
> It is also very well known that these edit-a-thons are used by PAID
> editors like "Fae" to write
> articles on non-notables like "Veena Kumari" now
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veena_Kumari
> trimmed from this
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Veena_Kumari&oldid=604720490
> But guess who gets blocked just so Fae, or some other paid editor can
> reinsert it when nobody is looking ?
>
> Toby
>
> On 1/11/15, rexx <rexx@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> Here's another correction for you:
>>
>> Anybody who bothered to ask - rather than spilling bile-filled speculation
>> about - would have soon found out that Roger Bamkin was working in
>> Gibraltar to encourage new editors to edit Wikipedia. Roger's expertise is
>> in education, not PR, and he is a qualified teacher.
>>
>> And what would a group of new editors living in Gibraltar write about as
>> they learn how to edit? The place where they live, perhaps?
>>
>> Roger knows very well how much encouragement new editors get from having
>> their efforts featured at DYK - it's the main purpose of DYK, of course. So
>> why would it be surprising that so many new DYKs appeared from a new batch
>> of editors who all lived in Gibraltar - which with its history was an
>> obvious rich source of articles that nobody had bothered to tap before?
>>
>> If you don't believe me, do the research yourself: look at those DYKs - who
>> wrote the articles? and how long had they been editing? They were trained
>> together and wrote new articles that were good enough to be featured as
>> DYKs. We should be celebrating that, not spinning it into yet another
>> attack on Wikipedia from the haters.
>>
>> --
>> Rexx
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11 January 2015 at 06:33, Toby Dollmann <toby.dollmann@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2012/09/20/roger_bamkin_gibraltor_s_repeated_appearance_on_did_you_know_provkes_existential_crisis_for_wikipedia_.html
>>>
>>> A Stealth PR Campaign on Behalf of Gibraltar Provokes Existential
>>> Crisis for Wikipedia
>>> By Mark Joseph Stern
>>> Mark Joseph Stern is a writer for Slate. He covers science, the law,
>>> and LGBTQ issues.
>>>
>>> How much do you know about Gibraltar?
>>>
>>> If you've been reading been reading Wikipedia's "Did You Know?" page
>>> recently, you probably know a great deal about the tiny British
>>> territory at the mouth of the Mediterranean. In fact, in the month of
>>> August alone, Gibraltar was featured on "Did You Know?" a jaw-dropping
>>> 17 times, according to the technology website CNET. (One example: "Did
>>> you know that in Gibraltar, a mole's elbow is a site of control for
>>> the harbour?") That, for the record, is more times than any subject
>>> other than the Olympics—a tidal wave of information for a country with
>>> only 2.6 square miles of land mass.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia charity chairman resigns after pornography row

So how do you explain these messages past ?

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/464177

Which are clearly connected 2unowho

Toby

On 1/11/15, rexx <rexx@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Another piece of blatant misrepresentation.
>
> Fae was the subject of multiple homophobic attacks during that period and
> there was an orchestrated campaign by the usual group of haters who can't
> stand to see an openly gay man achieve prominence in our community.
>
> Fae resigned voluntarily in order to reduce the impact of the hate campaign
> on the institution that he had been instrumental in building.
>
> The call for an EGM was signed by all of four people. Four people. I could
> get more signatures for a petition to give Jimmy Wales a knighthood. (Ok, I
> might be exaggerating that last one).
>
> --
> Rexx
>

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Stealth PR Campaign on Behalf of Gibraltar Provokes Existential Crisis for Wikipedia

Dear Rexx

The "Future Tense" Slate.com blog piece is a published researched
article, with directly relevant inline cites, a named author and a
collaboration between 3 credible organizations. The facts in that
article, ie. the sheer number of DYKs in a short span from a tiny
handkerchief bit of land are undenied. The article still stands with 2
minor corrections as a RELIABLE SOURCE in the face of your ORIGINAL
RESEARCH.

This kind of event based editing is what had also been highlighted in
the case of WMF's disastrous "Wikipedia India Education Program" in
2011 and 2013.

https://avamindia.wordpress.com/2014/10/25/wikipedia-india-education-program/
To which a follow up was sent
https://avamindia.wordpress.com/2014/10/25/wikipedia-child-pornography-scandal-india-education-program-2013/

Is it not shocking that WMF retains and hosts high resolution photos
of clearly identifiable minors taken inside their school under a
Creative Commons licence which permits derivations and commercial use
?

It is also very well known that these edit-a-thons are used by PAID
editors like "Fae" to write
articles on non-notables like "Veena Kumari" now
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veena_Kumari
trimmed from this
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Veena_Kumari&oldid=604720490
But guess who gets blocked just so Fae, or some other paid editor can
reinsert it when nobody is looking ?

Toby

On 1/11/15, rexx <rexx@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Here's another correction for you:
>
> Anybody who bothered to ask - rather than spilling bile-filled speculation
> about - would have soon found out that Roger Bamkin was working in
> Gibraltar to encourage new editors to edit Wikipedia. Roger's expertise is
> in education, not PR, and he is a qualified teacher.
>
> And what would a group of new editors living in Gibraltar write about as
> they learn how to edit? The place where they live, perhaps?
>
> Roger knows very well how much encouragement new editors get from having
> their efforts featured at DYK - it's the main purpose of DYK, of course. So
> why would it be surprising that so many new DYKs appeared from a new batch
> of editors who all lived in Gibraltar - which with its history was an
> obvious rich source of articles that nobody had bothered to tap before?
>
> If you don't believe me, do the research yourself: look at those DYKs - who
> wrote the articles? and how long had they been editing? They were trained
> together and wrote new articles that were good enough to be featured as
> DYKs. We should be celebrating that, not spinning it into yet another
> attack on Wikipedia from the haters.
>
> --
> Rexx
>
>
>
> On 11 January 2015 at 06:33, Toby Dollmann <toby.dollmann@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2012/09/20/roger_bamkin_gibraltor_s_repeated_appearance_on_did_you_know_provkes_existential_crisis_for_wikipedia_.html
>>
>> A Stealth PR Campaign on Behalf of Gibraltar Provokes Existential
>> Crisis for Wikipedia
>> By Mark Joseph Stern
>> Mark Joseph Stern is a writer for Slate. He covers science, the law,
>> and LGBTQ issues.
>>
>> How much do you know about Gibraltar?
>>
>> If you've been reading been reading Wikipedia's "Did You Know?" page
>> recently, you probably know a great deal about the tiny British
>> territory at the mouth of the Mediterranean. In fact, in the month of
>> August alone, Gibraltar was featured on "Did You Know?" a jaw-dropping
>> 17 times, according to the technology website CNET. (One example: "Did
>> you know that in Gibraltar, a mole's elbow is a site of control for
>> the harbour?") That, for the record, is more times than any subject
>> other than the Olympics—a tidal wave of information for a country with
>> only 2.6 square miles of land mass.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia charity chairman resigns after pornography row

Another piece of blatant misrepresentation.

Fae was the subject of multiple homophobic attacks during that period and there was an orchestrated campaign by the usual group of haters who can't stand to see an openly gay man achieve prominence in our community.

Fae resigned voluntarily in order to reduce the impact of the hate campaign on the institution that he had been instrumental in building.

The call for an EGM was signed by all of four people. Four people. I could get more signatures for a petition to give Jimmy Wales a knighthood. (Ok, I might be exaggerating that last one).

Rexx

On 11 January 2015 at 08:57, Toby Dollmann <toby.dollmann@gmail.com> wrote:

Why ?

Have you forgotten Section 230 of Communications Decency Act ?

Toby

On 1/11/15, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com> wrote:
> can someone shut this guy up?
> Thanks,
> GerardM
>
> On 11 January 2015 at 07:37, Toby Dollmann <toby.dollmann@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/wikipedia/9447161/Wikipedia-charity-chairman-resigns-after-pornography-row.html
>>
>> Wikipedia charity chairman resigns after pornography row
>>
>> The chairman of the charity responsible for promoting Wikipedia in
>> Britain has resigned after he was banned from editing the online
>> encyclopaedia, following rows about the inclusion of pornography.
>>
>> By Christopher Williams, Technology Correspondent
>> 3:55PM BST 02 Aug 2012
>>
>> Ashley van Haeften resigned as chairman of Wikimedia UK today, citing
>> concerns the controversy over his ban could cause divisions among
>> Wikipedia supporters.
>>
>> "I have discussed this matter with [Mr van Haeften] this morning,"
>> said Jon Davies, the chief executive of the charity, which distributes
>> £1m of donations from Wikipedia supporters annually.
>>
>> "He is keen that there should be no division in the Wikimedia UK
>> community over his role as Chair, especially at a time when so many
>> great things are being achieved.
>>
>> "He has therefore resigned as Chair."
>>
>> The Telegraph reported this week how Mr van Haeften had been banned
>> indefinitely from contributing to the English version of Wikipedia by
>> ArbCom, an elected committee of senior editors.
>>
>>
>>
>> ArbCom applied the sanction after finding he mounted personal attacks
>> on people with concerns about explicit material on Wikipedia,
>> including about material he had posted. He was criticised for
>> including a "highly inappropriate" link to pornography in the
>> biography of a living person.
>>
>> Wikipedia carries a large quantity of explicit material, despite
>> promoting itself as an educational website suitable for
>> schoolchildren. Critics such as Larry Sanger, a co-founder of the
>> website, and people attacked by Mr van Haeften, have argued for
>> filters or age controls to be introduced.
>>
>> Mr van Haeften, who works as an IT project manager, was also found by
>> ArbCom to have violated a series of editing rules, including by using
>> multiple accounts to change pages after he had asked for a "clean
>> start".
>>
>> His resignation follows a call by members of Wikimedia UK for an
>> Extraordinary General Meeting to discuss the controversy. They said
>> the decision of the charity's board to keep Mr van Haeften on as
>> chairman despite his ban from contributing to Wikipedia "not a
>> sufficient response to this situation".
>>
>> An EGM could still go ahead, however, as the call was for a vote on a
>> resolution "to remove Ashley Van Haeften from the Board of Trustees of
>> Wikimedia UK", not only to strip him of the chairmanship.
>>
>> "By not resigning as chair immediately after the ArbCom decision was
>> announced I am afraid that [Mr van Haeften] made an error which can
>> now only be corrected by his resignation from the board altogether,"
>> said one Wikimedia UK member.
>>
>> Mr van Haeften remains on the Wikimedia UK board. A new chairman will
>> be elected at a meeting this evening.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Stealth PR Campaign on Behalf of Gibraltar Provokes Existential Crisis for Wikipedia

Here's another correction for you:

Anybody who bothered to ask - rather than spilling bile-filled speculation about - would have soon found out that Roger Bamkin was working in Gibraltar to encourage new editors to edit Wikipedia. Roger's expertise is in education, not PR, and he is a qualified teacher.

And what would a group of new editors living in Gibraltar write about as they learn how to edit? The place where they live, perhaps?

Roger knows very well how much encouragement new editors get from having their efforts featured at DYK - it's the main purpose of DYK, of course. So why would it be surprising that so many new DYKs appeared from a new batch of editors who all lived in Gibraltar - which with its history was an obvious rich source of articles that nobody had bothered to tap before?

If you don't believe me, do the research yourself: look at those DYKs - who wrote the articles? and how long had they been editing? They were trained together and wrote new articles that were good enough to be featured as DYKs. We should be celebrating that, not spinning it into yet another attack on Wikipedia from the haters.

Rexx

On 11 January 2015 at 06:33, Toby Dollmann <toby.dollmann@gmail.com> wrote:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2012/09/20/roger_bamkin_gibraltor_s_repeated_appearance_on_did_you_know_provkes_existential_crisis_for_wikipedia_.html

A Stealth PR Campaign on Behalf of Gibraltar Provokes Existential
Crisis for Wikipedia
By Mark Joseph Stern
Mark Joseph Stern is a writer for Slate. He covers science, the law,
and LGBTQ issues.

How much do you know about Gibraltar?

If you've been reading been reading Wikipedia's "Did You Know?" page
recently, you probably know a great deal about the tiny British
territory at the mouth of the Mediterranean. In fact, in the month of
August alone, Gibraltar was featured on "Did You Know?" a jaw-dropping
17 times, according to the technology website CNET. (One example: "Did
you know that in Gibraltar, a mole's elbow is a site of control for
the harbour?") That, for the record, is more times than any subject
other than the Olympics—a tidal wave of information for a country with
only 2.6 square miles of land mass.

Wikipedia editor and administrator Panyd first noticed the profusion
of Gibraltar-centric articles on Sept. 13. The next day, she
discovered that they were promoted by Roger Bamkin, a board member of
Wikimedia U.K. (which is heavily involved with Wikipedia platforms in
Britain*) and a Wikipedian in Residence. Then the floodgates burst
open: Bamkin, it turns out, had signed a contract with the government
of Gibraltar to publicize the territory on Wikipedia—making him a de
facto PR consultant. Yet Bamkin was only promoting articles, not
editing them, and while the latter is entirely verboten for
Wikipedians in Residence, the former is a gray area.

Thus began a small war among Wikipedia editors, with some proclaiming
that Bamkin committed "no abuse at all" while others labeled the
situation a "full-on shitstorm of epic proportions." The debate first
centered around whether Bamkin had received money for his promotion of
the minuscule peninsula*, or if he had just volunteered his services
because he had an intense fascination with an arcane subject—not a
rare occurrence in the Wikipedia community. But even after the editors
agreed that Bamkin's contract with Gibraltar heavily suggested
remuneration, some question still remained as to whether promoting
articles for pay was proscribed.

"Why should we care?" asked one editor. "So long as the articles are
properly made" and not in violation of copyrights, "it's largely none
of our business."

That is the philosophical question at the center of the debate: Is
promotion of information unique from direct manipulation of it? Can
Wikipedia allow editors to be paid for their publicizing of a story,
but not for actually writing it? Or would that, as Panyd suggested,
turn Wikipedia into a "billboard"? On Sept. 16, Wikipedia co-founder
Jimmy Wales himself stepped in, proclaiming that "of course I'm
extremely unhappy about" the "disgusting" situation.

You can see why Wales would put his foot down so firmly: Once
Wikipedia becomes a pay-to-play platform in any sense, it's no longer
a balanced, universal wellspring of information. It's just another
commercial website, with a particularly insidious brand of camouflaged
advertising. Any company with a sly enough PR person could promote
ostensibly fascinating facts about its products. If the "Did You
Know?" page was suddenly dominated by trivia about Gap or Mars Bars,
many readers would quickly smell a rat, but there are numerous PR
professionals who represent subtler brands and causes.

To set a precedent, then, Bamkin will certainly be sanctioned and
probably banned, but that won't entirely put the controversy over paid
promotion to rest. A number of editors disagreed with Panyd and Wales,
arguing that more articles—and more visible articles—about any subject
were "in Wikipedia's interests." That, of course, is the same logic
the Supreme Court used in Citizens United: Isn't more speech better
speech, no matter where it comes from, no matter who is paying to say
it? It might seem the avowedly libertarian Wales would be on board
with such a proposition. Yet in the light of the Gibraltar
controversy, the Wikipedia mastermind is clearly shying away from
every form of paid editorial involvement.

Meanwhile, Gibraltar isn't quite through with its grand Wikipedia
experiment: The government recently attached QR codes to its landmarks
so tourists can quickly read up on the island's history. Those codes
link directly to relevant Wikipedia entries. If the territory's
government can't bring Gibraltar to Wikipedia, it can at least bring
Wikipedia to Gibraltar.

Correction, Sept. 20, 2012: This article originally and incorrectly
referred to Gibraltar as an island. It is a peninsula.

Correction, Sept. 26, 2012: This article incorrectly described
Wikimedia U.K. as controlling Wikipedia platforms in Britain.
Wikimedia U.K. is heavily involved, but the British Wikipedia is
operated by the Wikimedia Foundation in San Francisco.

Future Tense is a partnership of Slate, New America, and Arizona State
University.

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Hello

A List Admin will surely reply to you / take action if you specify any
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On 1/11/15, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hoi,
> By your own admission you add people without their permission for your own
> reasons. There is no permission given and this action has been universally
> condemned.
>
> Please list admins remove this person from the list.
> Thanks,
> GerardM
>
> On 11 January 2015 at 13:34, Toby Dollmann <toby.dollmann@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Rui
>>
>> At the outset let me say there is no absolutely no question of my
>> "posing" as an existing list or using an existing name (wikimedia-l).
>> The preexisting google mailing list/group "wikimedia-l" for Wikimedian
>> Lesbians is owned / registered by somebody else and I am only an
>> ordinary poster to this list who added about 230 Wikimedian editors
>> from my personal email contacts.who have been emailing me over many
>> Wikimedia mailing lists.
>>
>> As that phase is over now, I am adding about 2,000 email contacts from
>> my database who are extremely interested in the gross corruptions and
>> other malpractices of Wikimedia communities. About 1,200 of these are
>> persons who currently pay WIKI-PR type outfits for paid editing on
>> Wikipedia. We shall be publicly naming the Admins and editors who are
>> on the take - ESPECIALLY THOSE ON ENGLISH ARBCOM - and their minions
>> !!
>>
>> The old posts / articles I have uploaded to this list today are for
>> the newbies who will be joining and not for the already corrupted
>> useless parasite Chapter and GLAM Wikimedians who have grown fat
>> suckling at WMF's porky titties
>>
>>
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:%22Ohl_Little_Dancer%22_%28a_Registered_Red_Wattle_Hog%29_and_her_13_piglets..JPG
>>
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sau_mit_ihren_Ferkeln.jpg
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Toby

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